Buenas tardes me gustaria saber que opinais sobre un curso hecho en esta academia.

http://www.panampropilot.com/propilot.htm

existen cursos para hacer sobre las 2 licencias ( Americana y Europea ) y por lo visto se hacen las 2 en Orlando, con la excepcion de que la Europea se termina en Reino unido. En cuanto al precio creo que oscilan entre los 70.000 eu (es una pasta si) con alojamiento incluido, y un programa hecho en 12-14 meses.

Teniendo en cuenta por ejemplo Gestair que son 72.000 eu….y que te dan un llavero solo…,….Que opinais???

Ante todo gracias por vuestro tiempo.

PD: Para los comerciales presentes en este foro…. Mi novia que estudia publicidad y relacciones publicas necesita curro, lo mismo os »aporta» algo nuevo para la captacion de gente :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :laugh:

Suena mucho mejor que cualquier escuela española. Si el alojamiento y el MCC esta incluido no es tan cara.
Falta saber si las tasas de los exámenes y la de los examinadores también.
Pregunta de pagar por lo que haces.
Lo bueno es que mejoraras el inglés y conocerás mundo.
Sí es un dinero pero….No suena tan mal la cosa.
No tengas vergûenza por preguntarles y sobre todo por escrito las promesas y los precios que te den. Que se vea bien clarito en el contrato. Si consigues eso has triumfado.
Suerte 😛

bueno, estoy en ello, aver si contestan. Yo desde luego estoy mirando a fondo todo. Nunca se sabe, y mas si es algo a lo que realmente quiero dedicarme en el futuro y la pasta que es. Esta claro que lo de hacerlo fuera, por tener mas idioma, mejor que mejor. Segun lo que me digan os voy comentando aver que os parece.

Un saludo y gracias de antemano

XD COPY and PASTE de lo que me han mandado XD

THE JAA PRO PILOT COURSE

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Pre-entry requirements:

• Be at least 18 years of age
• Be able to read and understand the English language
• Obtain a JAA class 1 Medical

Our Pro Pilot Program is a full-time fully structured ATPL program that integrates flight and ground training. Due to the unique construction, the course allows you to gain certain FAA licenses, which are ultimately converted to JAA, ensuring that the high costs usually associated with this kind of training are avoided. Here is a summary of what the program consists of:

ü Basic visual (VFR) flight training (Single Engine)

ü JAA ATPL Theoretical Knowledge integrated with Intermediate VFR flight training (Single Engine)

ü Instrument Rating flight training (Single Engine)

ü Commercial Pilots License flight training (Multi Engine)

ü Multi-Crew Co-operation Course (MCC)

ü Jet Orientation Course (JOC)

ü Airline Preparation Training (APT)

ü FAA to JAA Instrument Rating Conversion Course

ü All accommodations included

The majority of this program is delivered from our training center in Kissimmee, Florida, with the MCC, JOC and APT conducted at our corporate headquarters at Miami International Airport, a few hours away. The program concludes with a conversion course from the FAA instrument rating to JAA at our training center in the UK or Spain.

This program is estimated to be completed in 12 months. Although this is a very realistic timetable, it is always sensible in flight training to add an additional month or so onto such a large course, to allow for any delays in your flight training (i.e., weather, additional training, etc.).

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Basic Visual (VFR) Flight Training (Single Engine)

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The program begins with the FAA Private Pilots License (PPL). Obtaining the FAA PPL is more cost and time effective than the JAA PPL. Obtaining the FAA license only requires you to complete one written exam, rather than seven for the JAA. You also receive a night rating, which is something you will need for the issuance of the Commercial Pilots License. Some other advantages of the FAA PPL is once you complete your skills test with the FAA Examiner, you are issued and handed your pilot’s license the very same day. JAA requires a wait time of up to 60 days before the license is in your hands.

This program includes the following hours:

– 45 hours in the Piper Cadet (PA28) aircraft

– 30 hours Dual Flight Instruction

– 30 hours PPL theoretical knowledge instruction

If you are the holder of an ICAO PPL, you can reduce the course cost. This will vary, depending on the number of hours you have logged. In order to attach the FAA Instrument Rating, you will be required to obtain an FAA PPL. This can be easily completed by completing an application process through the FAA & CAA. Please follow the link below from the FAA’s website and download the form and instructions. http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/foreign_license_verification/

If you already have a restricted license, be sure that you have the accompanying letter and that is not expired. NOTE: This application process can take up to 90 days to complete.

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ATPL Theoretical Knowledge Integrated with Intermediate VFR Flight Training (Single Engine)

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The JAA ATPL ground school is 24 weeks in a climate controlled classroom, studying for the 14 written examinations. You will have access to the online classroom to study outside of lectures, ensuring that you achieve the passes first time. Don’t forget to bring your laptop computer! This course experiences a first time pass rates as high as 98%.

During the class, you will complete a series of planned hour building routes under VFR and simulated IFR weather conditions, keeping your program aligned with the course timeline. You will achieve a total of 95 hours in the Piper Cadet (PA28) aircraft in this phase.

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Instrument Rating Flight Training

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It’s not possible to obtain a JAA Instrument Rating in the United States airspace. Our program will have you complete the FAA Instrument Rating instead, which will be converted at the end of the program.

The program includes the following hours:

– 30 hours Dual Flight Instruction in the Cessna 172 Glass Cockpit G1000 aircraft

– 10 hours Dual Flight Instruction in the aircraft training device-ATD (simulator)

– 30 hours IR theoretical knowledge instruction

These 40 hours flown in the US for the FAA instrument rating, means that you get a 40 hour exemption from the JAA IR training requirements.

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Commercial Pilot’s License Training (Multi Engine)

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This is the final phase of training you’ll complete at our training center in Kissimmee, Florida. The JAA Commercial Pilot’s License with multi engine rating. This course will compromise of the following training:

– 10 hours Dual Flight Instruction in the Piper Cadet (PA28) aircraft

– 8 hours Dual Flight Instruction in the Beech Duchess (BE76) multi engine aircraft

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MCC & JOC

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The Multi Crew Co-Operation Course (MCC) and Jet Orientation Course (JOC) will be completed at our headquarters in Miami, Florida. Over a three week period, you will utilize our full-motion simulators to complete your MCC and JOC training.

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Airline Preparation Course

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During your final week at Pan Am, you will undergo Airline Preparation training which will take in a wide range of experiences, such as air traffic control simulation and emergency training. This unique week, delivered by one of the world’s most legendary airlines, will give you a career enhancing insight into all aspects of managing a commercial airliner, providing an excellent addition to your CV.

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FAA to JAA Instrument Rating Conversion

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In order to qualify and receive the Frozen ATPL, students are required to complete an instrument rating conversion from the FAA license to JAA. This final stage of your training will take place at our training facility in Spain or UK and be comprised of the following training:

– 10 hours Dual Flight Training Simulator

– 5 hours Dual Flight Training in a multi engine aircraft

One of the unrivaled aspects of the Pro Pilot Program is the combining of both FAA and JAA training which delivers two unique benefits:

1.) Training costs are kept to a minimum, with the funds you save completing the Pan Am Pro Pilot Program, you could fund a Boeing or Airbus type rating course to even further enhance your CV.

2.) With some additional flying hours and training, you could actually attain an FAA Commercial Pilots License to compliment your JAA ATPL, giving you the right to fly FAA registered aircraft and therefore doubling your chances of potential employment.

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COSTS AND PAYMENT DETAILS

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Estimated JAA Pro Pilot Program Cost: $74,995

Additional Costs to budget and plan for:

– Transportation

– Meals and Living Expenses (estimated $450-$500/month)

– 3, TSA Screening Fees ($130 each)

– 1, TSA Fingerprint Fee ($75 if completed at the school)

– FAA Medical Examination ($200 if completed at the school)

– 2, FAA Theoretical Examinations ($150 each)

– 2, FAA Flight Examiner Fees ($450 each)

– 14, JAA ATPL Theoretical Exams (£86 each)

– JAA CPL Skills Test (£782)

Payment Schedule:
Deposit: $1,000 (to accompany enrollment application)
Day of arrival: $10,000
30 Days after Arrival: $10,000
60 Days after Arrival: $10,000
90 Days after Arrival: $10,000

120 Days after Arrival: $10,000

150 Days after Arrival: $10,000

180 Days after Arrival: $10,000

210 Days after Arrival: $4,995

*Prices are based on the minimum hour requirements to complete the required training. It is not guaranteed you will complete your training in the number of hours or time frame stated. In some cases, additional training may be required for you to complete. Should you exceed any flight/ground hours or require longer than ten months, you will be responsible for the additional costs. Please plan and budget for these additional costs that may occur. Aircraft upgrades are additional costs. Prices are subject to change without notice.

**This program includes fuel costs, however theses are subject to change, depending on current costs of fuel. Should there be an increase in fuel costs, additional cost may apply and be your responsibility.

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SUGGESTED PRE-STUDY MATERIAL

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Since this course starts with the FAA Private Pilots License, the following links are suggested materials you can use to familiarize yourself before beginning your flight training.

– FAA Regulations (PART 91 – GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES)

– FAA Airplane Flying Handbook

JAA ATPL Ground School Required Materials (available through AFE Pilot Shop, www.afeonline.com)

– ARC-2 Flight Computer

– Casio Scientific non-programmable calculator

– Square Flight Protractor

– Compass Set

In order to fly solo in US airspace and/or obtain an FAA pilots license, you are required to have an FAA medical examination. You can complete this when you arrive to PAIFA, however if you are concerned about being able to pass this exam, it’s suggested you obtain one before your arrival. Click here to see what the FAA Regulations are for obtaining a medical certificate. Click here to locate an Aviation Medical Examiner near you.

Please note: If you do not have an FAA pilot’s license, you will need to obtain a “Student Pilot” medical certificate.

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NON-US CITIZENS

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The goal of this course is for you to obtain a JAA/EASA Frozen ATPL in order to gain employment as a pilot back home. This course does not give you the «Right to Work» status in the Unites States.

In order to flight train in the United States, you are required to have an M-1 Student Visa. In addition, you will are required to register with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). Instructions to apply for TSA are attached. TSA fees are not included in the course and are paid directly to TSA.

Once we receive your application and course deposit, we will process the I-20 form you need to take to the US Embassy to obtain the M1 visa. All required paperwork will be mailed to you via UPS. The entire M1 visa process can take up to 30 days (or more) to complete. For a list of current wait times, please visit the US Embassy Website.

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ACCOMMODATIONS

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Accommodations are included for the entire 12 month course. During your training at our headquarters in Kissimmee, you will be living in our furnished student apartments. Our student housing is furnished 3 and 4 bedroom apartments at local apartment complexes, all located less than two miles from our facility. The apartments are furnished with all necessary furniture, bedding, cookware, laundry facilities, wireless internet and use of all utilities. Pictures of the apartments are on our website.

Accommodations in Miami and the UK or Spain will be provided in a shared hotel room with another student on your program.

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AVAILABLE TRAINING DATES

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To help you stay with a group of students who all train together, we have selected start dates for the JAA Pro Pilot Program. These dates are as follows:

2013 START DATES

Monday, February 11, 2013

Monday, April 8, 2013

Monday, June 3, 2013

Monday, August 12, 2013

Monday, October 7, 2013

Monday, December 2, 2013

On these start dates, you will begin your training for the Private Pilots license, then commence ATPL ground school seven weeks later.

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WHY CHOOSE PAN AM INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT ACADEMY

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There are many factors to consider when choosing a flight school. This can be difficult and confusing, especially if you are considering coming to the U.S. as an international student. We believe Pan Am International Flight Academy is a great place to start your aviation career.

Pan Am International Flight Academy is one of the largest and most experienced pilot and airline training organizations in the world, with its origins as the training division of the Pan American World Airways. The company offers airline and individual training on over 60 full-flight simulators with courses for pilots, cabin crew, mechanics and aircraft dispatchers.

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ENROLLMENT PROCESS

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There are six select start dates for this program throughout the year (given above). It is recommended that once you select a training date, you book immediately to reserve your seat. Our classes fill up very quickly. So, all that is left is for you to begin the enroll process. Please visit our website to complete our ENROLLMENT FORM. Along with the application, a non-refundable deposit of $1,000 is required.

NON-US CITIZENS: Once we receive your enrollment form and course deposit, our visa department will process your application and then UPS the paperwork to you within 5-7 working days. In the package shipped to you will be a booklet detailing all that you need to know about the visa process and what you will need to bring with you.
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En resumen, he sumado toooodos los gastos y me sale redondeando hacia arriba 67.000 euros Gastos de tasas de examen alojamiento y comidas incluidas.

Como lo veis?

y perdonar por la parrafada, lo mismo ayuda a otros como yo la info

Jod….rrrr,que gran diferencia con estos Norteamericanos,ya quisieramos parecernos a ellos aunque sea en lo negro de las unas.Tienen los mejores aviones del mundo,trabajo,ley y orden,escuelas a punta de pala,oportunidades que jode en donde gente de todas las partes del mundo quieren volar por estos lares (por algo sera),la tierra de las «OPORTUNIDADES» Y «EL FAMOSO SUENO AMERICANO» aunque algunos Espanoletes digan lo contrario.

Con la cultura de la envidia,desprecio,falta de admiracion,odio,indiferncia y pare de contar que le tenemos a los Norteamericanos. Con el famoso refran y cuento de mierda de que «LOS NORTEAMERICANOS NO NOS HACEN MUCHA GRACIA»,»AQUI EN ESPANA SE VIVE MUY BIEN»,»NO TENEMOS QUE COPIAR,ADMIRAR Y RESPETAR A NADIE».

PD: LOS QUE DIGAN LO CONTRARIO ENTONCES QUE LES PREGUNTEN A LOS QUE HAN TENIDO EL PRIVILEGIO DE VENIR A VOLAR,DISFRUTAR,TRABAJAR,ESTUDIAR Y VIVIR Y TENDRAN UNA MEJOR RESPUESTA…

la verdad esque me lo estoy planteando seriamente, lo de ir ahi a sacar el Frozen :/

Buenas tardes, sigo enterandome de mas cosas.

Segun parece dada la manera de como hacen la formacion del Frozen , te dan la posibilidad de sacarte la licencia Americana (la FAA) por $19.000 mas añadidos.

Necesitaria vuestros consejos ya que vosotros sois los que teneis la experiencia acumulada. Como lo veis en general?

Ante todo Gracias por vuestro tiempo

Aver el curso es en su totalidad en Florida, solo que los ultimos 2 meses del año que dura el curso, se hacen o en españa o en Uk que son los que diferencia la licencia Americana de la Europea, ya que segun creo al volar en EEUU no les permiten dar esa licencia.

Segun el correo que adjunte arriba,

Son unas 158 horas de vuelo reales, mas luego las supuestas X horas de simulador, que aunque sean importantes, no son valoradas a la hora de entrar en compañia (creo) el curso entero, Gastos de Tasas , de dormir en Florida y en este caso UK o España, sale entorno a los 67.000 euos, gastos de comidas incluidos (500 $ mensuales).

Este precio seria el completo para sacarte el ATPL Frozen, de aqui de europa.

Si ademas se quiere la licencia americana… te ofrecen la ampliacion de la experiencia por 19.000$ mas que son unos 14.400 euros o asi.

Eso es lo que he entendido de los correos que me han mandado.

Un saludo y gracias denuevo por vuestro tiempo.

PD: supongo que encuanto al tema de horas de vuelo reales, se podrian ampliar, ya que creo que las horas de vuelo ahi tengo entendido de que son baratas comparadas con las de aqui.

Supongo que esto lo dice todo:

The program includes the following hours:

– 30 hours Dual Flight Instruction in the Cessna 172 Glass Cockpit G1000 aircraft

– 10 hours Dual Flight Instruction in the aircraft training device-ATD (simulator)

– 30 hours IR theoretical knowledge instruction

These 40 hours flown in the US for the FAA instrument rating, means that you get a 40 hour exemption from the JAA IR training requirements.

de ahi que para sacar la FAA sea mas cara al necesitar las 200 horas de 40, aun asi preguntare.

alguna opinion mas sobre esta escuela?, existen mejores?

JOD…..RRRRRR, estos Norteamericanos son «LA LECHE», para hacer eso por estos lares de esta tierra Espana hay que ser millonario o si no ser hijo de este puto rey granuja que tenemos ……..

Todavia algunos tenemos los santos cojones de hablar mierda de esta gente.

como lo veis?